computer systems should not include any components made by these companies and they may have violated some laws. how important is this, dave? >> it's important. chairman rogers was an important component of the piece we did early this month that was on chinese cyber espionage. it focused on huawei. a company discovered the chinese were in their system, nortel. they went out of business. some claim it's because of huawei. chairman rogers is trying to raise the alarm on this. i can only tell you from firsthand experience, so many ceos of fortunate 500 companies who would not come on the program that we did a number of months ago because they fear for their business in china have admitted to me face to face that their firewalls had been breached by the chinese, that they'd been informed of that by the fbi. and so by doing this, chairman rogers simply is able to raise a larger awareness of it. as for the huawei allegation, we'll see. we haven't seen the report yet and the specifics. >> the reason why the issue has been treated with -- this has been going on over the course of a decade at least. it'